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送外卖,不给小费正常吗?

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发表于 2006-11-27 12:46 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:43 发表! K% b& S$ @8 ^+ Q+ G7 G- w7 D

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/ L- w* r: n4 v9 l/ X% `4 A. ^You may argue this was for the US. I have to admit I am not formiliar with Canada Tax Regulations. I just know the income tax in Canada is much higher than the states.

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hoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.% i2 ^8 y+ g- ]8 x+ h2 A0 R
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US law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspects!  V( J2 h% @) i9 ?4 F" f

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[ 本帖最后由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:50 编辑 ]
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:46 发表- S$ ?/ Q7 v2 r# v0 l$ n( K
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  t1 F- Y% P  |* Uhoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing., D! H8 e  o$ f2 s

  \. q" r  Q& N  a! ~8 sUS law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspect ...

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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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5 v* t4 u1 g6 N4 m# n8 @' vBut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothing.
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  v6 T( I. s- r( i3 F' T& y0 Q[ 本帖最后由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:50 编辑 ]
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表2 }( s: o- N! J& j9 Z. e; p$ d

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4 f0 q5 J. v& l. ]6 XI guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as his own "rules" but common sense means nothing.
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please refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but that still doesn't make it a law!
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发表于 2006-11-27 12:53 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表
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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.2 z* \) I+ ]1 Q
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But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

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Your last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.
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, V2 f# @1 X: |, T/ K- atip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada4 d3 s  z  r' N0 {' Z' t

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5 f2 W8 n  }- E: c) j0 V. _: Pwhen you are talking about law, you cannot use your own guess/think/assumption.  put out some valid facts before you jump to the ridiculous conclusion!
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:51 发表/ S; }2 S# P1 T2 [/ h3 Z4 k; i) ~
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please refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but it still doesn't make it a law!

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haha you were so fast and anxious to fight me, before I even finished editing.
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 17:49 发表
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1 G* k$ `+ `' s9 A" Y$ p' NUh, I don't think you read my last sentence.7 m  i$ s0 @' x0 l
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But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...
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. N# ?- [* I; m( r: yTo Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!
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# d: V6 G( l5 q" x/ ?The exception is: some new comer does not know the common sense
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发表于 2006-11-27 12:58 | 显示全部楼层
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全是英语呀? 上这来就是来看中文的呀~~
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:01 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 裙裾飘飘 于 2006-11-27 11:57 发表
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. \+ l8 i; n) A; k) g+ qTo Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!! ' z9 q( A  _$ x4 c. P- t

$ @" o0 Q% ]- v- L: h; R- uThe exception is: so ...
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haha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.
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the point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  ( J, u; I8 |4 {: m0 b& ^# `
There's no law/regulation that you can force people to tip, even if they may be considered rude for not tipping.  
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4 N/ T, o' R. \! C) J4 S$ T  P  LOr maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.
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! l6 e# V( M# r4 q9 L[ 本帖最后由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:12 编辑 ]
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:02 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:53 发表
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tip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada) M2 |6 ?2 U# w+ B+ O; k

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when you are talking about ...

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I am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:07 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 12:02 发表- b- @" e8 ?( T
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I am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion
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% Z8 T( A+ k/ s( Y4 j" a, zit's not accusing, don't use big words that you don't understand.  
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2 ~" O1 L( \5 q3 w7 Yright, i do hold tight to my own opinion.
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:18 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:07 发表3 M* H/ T) _5 z; q& U% z" e' \2 P' y8 s3 s
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don't use big words that you don't understand.   
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原帖由 让爱住我家 于 2006-11-27 11:58 发表
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想跟着灌,插不进嘴~
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:36 | 显示全部楼层
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俺是胆小怕事的主儿,原想用英文回英文,竟被人揭发出“用俺自己也不懂的(英文)词,唉,惭愧呀!
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:46 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:06 发表
1 c# i# v; O# i2 Q! H7 vwell, just for clarification purpose; z& C1 x) E0 H8 U9 Z: V* O
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i am paying my tips, although it's something typical only/mainly in the english speaking coutries.
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i understand that the waiters/waitresses and other pe ...
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这小妮子真要讲理哈!- l+ k* P4 u4 h0 H+ _: E6 C
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大家也别周旋什么法律了。那给小费虽然不是法律, 但是叫做:习俗常规(custom)。不给小费不会被抓进监狱, 但是会被人不耻. 这世界上并非所有行为都被法律法规明文,比如你当众放屁谁也管不着,甚至你没憋住放了一个两个的,别人还会善意的微笑,但是你天天吃黄豆,到了办公室一边放炮一边扭屁股,你说这。。。。再比如你当众。。。哈哈,不举那么多例子了。: X& q" @% i- U# p

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发表于 2006-11-27 13:47 | 显示全部楼层
唉。难怪去饭馆不时遭怠慢。敢情原来不少同胞不给小费(少于10%, 给不给差不多)。。。难怪人家stereotype
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:55 | 显示全部楼层
LAWs are NOT the only rules of live.
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:01 发表' B2 s7 s" v4 z: t

$ ]. a4 x6 X9 t6 i2 S* dhaha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.
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' x" Y% ?- u! z7 w* r7 |9 M% G% Zthe point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
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$ l" P: {. Y& P4 g" J/ A0 fOr maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.
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还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗?就是虽不为法,但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
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3 D. @" ?- K* f  g8 j) j+ J2 D; X你别捣乱了,可怜可怜大雪天送餐的兄弟们吧!
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 12:56 发表- \" \+ C3 n: U

3 d* Q: t" [' k8 ~0 e& u. A 还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗?就是虽不为法,但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
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i was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented "但是据说做服务行业的人缴税的时候,政府已经把你的小费收入算进去了,所以拿不到小费的确让服务员气愤。 " with "街头传闻不可信" in reply No.42.  Then someone brought up the guides and US tax laws...
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:08 | 显示全部楼层
又搞这么多英语
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原帖由 疯青羊 于 2006-11-27 13:08 发表
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 13:05 发表8 J) a. x4 J+ L  ^. I# I* E
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i was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented &q ...

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还是灌水的正事儿要紧
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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:11 发表
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是,英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的,没有法律支持的道德只是空谈~

( a7 ^7 [4 R) C- d! h8 `# k看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:14 发表0 j( P5 L  {2 r) s9 L
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看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!

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发表于 2006-11-27 14:20 | 显示全部楼层
靠,老哈不给面子,说侵犯他人权,他第一个反对,我正在努力游说议会中~
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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:20 发表
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原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
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$ a0 Z, k  p( Y  Y1 A3 H9 K; n1 问他们是否有东西缺了, 2 g( |# @$ F( U" F  G# ~
2 再问是否需要点其他的,
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5 最后,说白了如果不是服务差, ...
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我以前在蒙城的时候去过一家墨西哥餐厅,更绝,收费的时候直接把小费要出来,15%。其实好像很多地方都是直接以服务费的名目要出来的,记得以前学得很多外语资料(英语和法语)都有这样介绍的。
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表6 n" ^" d' T8 @$ ^

9 e+ K: N% R  b; h  C/ Y: F真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

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hahaha, then there might be proposals for "fart shield" design,
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表7 N  E* a- c) K" O

( V; _2 B1 m( Y: k. o# C( o真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?
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唉,俺可不是说了吗?可老哈说屁股大,鼻子小,小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言 5 d1 R9 {# v4 ^6 c6 m" _
我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉,三大妈有空也来吧,咱好好给他讲讲~
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:29 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
- R% ~  b& @6 n9 l$ |/ C再按门铃, 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次, 将手放在胸口作拿钱状$ Y( b7 J) K' a3 j7 @: }
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1 问他们是否有东西缺了,
9 o) j6 p' \4 C1 T2 再问是否需要点其他的, ) R& ^8 v* [; [9 X6 y* w
3 再问是否送得太慢, 3 O( j. |* s% b4 A
4 在问是否服务太差。
; l6 a7 |! l7 M" B) d5 最后,说白了如果不是服务差, ...
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这个应该管用!  
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:35 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:28 发表+ w* Z. u* r& f0 U
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! K0 P* A" W3 e! ?唉,俺可不是说了吗?可老哈说屁股大,鼻子小,小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言
' B+ ^9 s6 h+ {我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉,三大妈有空也来吧,咱好好给他讲讲~
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笨!你也不琢磨琢磨! 谁说鼻孔小? :kaixin:  . T1 W: Y6 q, n

! T  [' q. d, \( w, C8 n, K7 @: j咳!我就更没地位了!俺有一次跟三大爷急了,我说: 我们家里我爸每次放屁都要到门口去! 你三大爷说: 那当然了,你们家都是女的,就你爸一个男的阿!真同情你爸爸! 按咱家目前情况, 你要是嫌弃,我们放屁你完全可以去门口!  
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有空也不敢去, 你们有在国内耍过猴的给我看孩子才使得.
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