送外卖，不给小费正常吗？

elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:43 发表


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. J1 K: l- p' b% p% ]You may argue this was for the US. I have to admit I am not formiliar with Canada Tax Regulations. I just know the income tax in Canada is much higher than the states.

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hoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.
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: C4 L/ _$ M# d. k/ ~US law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspects!

6 ~: Z# l. @8 {; e# p- ESomeone from UK, NZ, AU or even HK dig out the tip-tax laws there?

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OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:46 发表
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0 Z  ~* b$ q/ w* I! v" hhoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.

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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.

/ J  y! A3 h4 e) |$ V) Z3 sBut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothing.
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elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表

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I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as his own "rules" but common sense means nothing.

& j1 ?- g7 |- v* `: dplease refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but that still doesn't make it a law!

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elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表
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; Q8 M$ n) P+ O( c* A( `2 MUh, I don't think you read my last sentence.

; q3 Y4 M! w7 O: V6 YBut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

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Your last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.

. b. ~8 `2 s* P) K: Mtip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada
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what's the logic there?
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when you are talking about law, you cannot use your own guess/think/assumption.  put out some valid facts before you jump to the ridiculous conclusion!

OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:51 发表


$ i6 i( \* i( I+ J3 N9 W: |: Bplease refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but it still doesn't make it a law!

haha you were so fast and anxious to fight me, before I even finished editing.

裙裾飘飘

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 17:49 发表
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0 [. _: O: Q6 _1 YUh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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+ R$ @( \% B* j+ R: s2 nBut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

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* a8 P5 O, H3 lTo Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!
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2 `6 @& E5 k' M6 Y. [& q5 y  h) C: f; ]The exception is: some new comer does not know the common sense

让爱住我家

全是英语呀？ 上这来就是来看中文的呀～～
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% B5 G0 p0 i2 l8 x+ L5 Y刚看了好几篇paper，头都大了。
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elle

原帖由 裙裾飘飘 于 2006-11-27 11:57 发表
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) D- _! a" O7 N4 F5 oTo Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!

The exception is: so ...

5 `7 a9 L2 l0 I: Fhaha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.

the point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
6 F& {0 R: q* u9 w% H: B' G/ dThere's no law/regulation that you can force people to tip, even if they may be considered rude for not tipping.  
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3 o# R" h: k* ?, R1 YOr maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.
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OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:53 发表
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/ ^$ V/ U! s! y3 G* s( P+ j6 FYour last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.

  Z$ |- Q$ f6 {- x& rtip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada
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when you are talking about ...

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I am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion

elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 12:02 发表
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I am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion

it's not accusing, don't use big words that you don't understand.  

right, i do hold tight to my own opinion.

OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:07 发表
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0 y- ~$ Q& ^5 u* kdon't use big words that you don't understand.   

  I 服了U! :chongbai: :chongbai: :chongbai: :chongbai:

猪刀小试

原帖由 让爱住我家 于 2006-11-27 11:58 发表
全是英语呀？ 上这来就是来看中文的呀～～

; a- l( G( [) a' j刚看了好几篇paper，头都大了。

9 S+ ^/ o7 M6 M, b1 ^1 @写中文吧，各位～～

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想跟着灌，插不进嘴～

OliveOil

俺是胆小怕事的主儿，原想用英文回英文，竟被人揭发出“用俺自己也不懂的（英文）词，唉，惭愧呀！

没有人找到加国的税法？我是没辄，公司的LAP　TOP给BLOCK了　

三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:06 发表
2 n4 |9 w' J. M- z8 q* A( e% Wwell, just for clarification purpose

2 e7 t- `& q: Hi am paying my tips, although it's something typical only/mainly in the english speaking coutries.
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这小妮子真要讲理哈！
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大家也别周旋什么法律了。那给小费虽然不是法律, 但是叫做：习俗常规（custom)。不给小费不会被抓进监狱, 但是会被人不耻. 这世界上并非所有行为都被法律法规明文，比如你当众放屁谁也管不着，甚至你没憋住放了一个两个的，别人还会善意的微笑，但是你天天吃黄豆，到了办公室一边放炮一边扭屁股，你说这。。。。再比如你当众。。。哈哈，不举那么多例子了。

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U-boat

唉。难怪去饭馆不时遭怠慢。敢情原来不少同胞不给小费（少于10%， 给不给差不多）。。。难怪人家stereotype

smalleagle

LAWs are NOT the only rules of live.

三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:01 发表

5 z7 n4 N% f& G, Whaha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.
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还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗？就是虽不为法，但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了！随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去
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你别捣乱了，可怜可怜大雪天送餐的兄弟们吧！

elle

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 12:56 发表

还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗？就是虽不为法，但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
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你别捣乱了，可怜可怜 ...

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4 [) Z  I- S; ], @1 K" zi do agree with most of people here that tipping is a custom that most of us, INCLUDING MYSELF follow when we receive services here.
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i was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented "但是据说做服务行业的人缴税的时候，政府已经把你的小费收入算进去了，所以拿不到小费的确让服务员气愤。 " with "街头传闻不可信" in reply No.42.  Then someone brought up the guides and US tax laws...

hoho, how funny

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疯青羊

又搞这么多英语

猪刀小试

原帖由 疯青羊 于 2006-11-27 13:08 发表
又搞这么多英语

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三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 13:05 发表
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i do agree with most of people here this is a custom that most of us, including myself follow when we receive services here.

i was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented &q ...

3 H& t2 `& U2 u你看看, 整儿个一个跑题,谁跟谁一头的都乱了!
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三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:11 发表

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是，英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的，没有法律支持的道德只是空谈～

2 l1 V! A7 C( S9 x  e看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!

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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:14 发表

8 C7 ]2 I2 V* l  K( o9 c看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!

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猪刀小试

靠，老哈不给面子，说侵犯他人权，他第一个反对，我正在努力游说议会中～

三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:20 发表
靠，老哈不给面子，说侵犯他人权，他第一个反对，我正在努力游说议会中～

真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

francais

原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
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1 问他们是否有东西缺了，
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3 再问是否送得太慢，
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5 最后，说白了如果不是服务差， ...

这些招数值得一试。
我以前在蒙城的时候去过一家墨西哥餐厅，更绝，收费的时候直接把小费要出来，15％。其实好像很多地方都是直接以服务费的名目要出来的，记得以前学得很多外语资料（英语和法语）都有这样介绍的。

elle

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表

6 I. }0 W6 J# ^+ ~& j; n, d. i真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

hahaha, then there might be proposals for "fart shield" design,

猪刀小试

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表

真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

唉，俺可不是说了吗？可老哈说屁股大，鼻子小，小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言
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酷暑严寒

原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
再按门铃， 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次， 将手放在胸口作拿钱状
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! d+ ~' ^7 X5 P# g' V1 问他们是否有东西缺了，
2 再问是否需要点其他的，
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4 在问是否服务太差。
5 最后，说白了如果不是服务差， ...

. u" J2 N) q2 ~3 g这个应该管用！  

三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:28 发表

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9 N( o0 `" t3 E0 t1 W  Z0 y唉，俺可不是说了吗？可老哈说屁股大，鼻子小，小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言
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有空也不敢去, 你们有在国内耍过猴的给我看孩子才使得.