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送外卖,不给小费正常吗?

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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:43 发表6 a* X% O: f' R- Y8 s* u- W

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8 D& i$ }; _9 }% Q6 b4 E  YYou may argue this was for the US. I have to admit I am not formiliar with Canada Tax Regulations. I just know the income tax in Canada is much higher than the states.

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hoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.. n: b% [; {3 S* v
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US law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspects!
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Someone from UK, NZ, AU or even HK dig out the tip-tax laws there?& w- e1 u3 K# R7 E7 M* G$ @

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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:46 发表' D% S$ d/ o7 O

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hoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.- x. O( F* b% L5 ^3 x6 \- x1 d

2 i' j  }# j- _( GUS law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspect ...

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- |' c# L. `0 U+ j7 XUh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothing.
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表, a' W; n/ I; p% A! M( I. Y

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I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as his own "rules" but common sense means nothing.
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please refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but that still doesn't make it a law!
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发表于 2006-11-27 12:53 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表/ q! b$ h) Z: t( W3 x8 s* J
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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.6 [9 d8 s' S. f) h9 k

5 Y4 q6 Z: }/ _. hBut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...
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) y4 X0 k/ _1 A* B3 d- U/ qtip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada& y" Y* c" v( A5 ?! q
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when you are talking about law, you cannot use your own guess/think/assumption.  put out some valid facts before you jump to the ridiculous conclusion!
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:51 发表& M" Z, {; p/ r1 r8 V1 J0 g2 e
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please refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but it still doesn't make it a law!

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- h. _2 m4 a2 |( R) t7 m& I' ehaha you were so fast and anxious to fight me, before I even finished editing.
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 17:49 发表( b# V5 O. |, T0 E

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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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: u2 r8 u+ i  g' g, w6 ^  }7 m9 Q4 VBut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

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To Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!
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The exception is: some new comer does not know the common sense
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发表于 2006-11-27 12:58 | 显示全部楼层
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全是英语呀? 上这来就是来看中文的呀~~0 _+ t& A5 i$ [

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原帖由 裙裾飘飘 于 2006-11-27 11:57 发表8 F/ x" N1 r+ W; p+ y- u
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, w) f' K! v, W: h1 C  o$ {To Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!! : W: @+ l3 h- u0 e! _, a8 M) O
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The exception is: so ...
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" r- _* u, c* N* p# ohaha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder., a- _: t/ |2 p8 J

4 d1 I" O! v+ R! `2 Nthe point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
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Or maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.
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7 x/ N6 ?  r0 x! R6 w' n2 y[ 本帖最后由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:12 编辑 ]
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:53 发表
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tip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada
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5 p9 w3 r7 z5 h6 y# l; S" O$ qwhat's the logic there?( l- d! J1 E0 {( T% ?- ^

1 g# t- g1 s# z3 n) Y! s4 n: awhen you are talking about ...

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I am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:07 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 12:02 发表
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I am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion
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it's not accusing, don't use big words that you don't understand.  
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0 a, h- E9 h. Y! v: Y/ Xright, i do hold tight to my own opinion.
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:07 发表, q( m! N8 z8 z- n4 g& b+ h
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don't use big words that you don't understand.   

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  I 服了U! :chongbai: :chongbai: :chongbai: :chongbai:
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原帖由 让爱住我家 于 2006-11-27 11:58 发表5 r6 k) k$ e- ?5 q1 ]- V: w6 R
全是英语呀? 上这来就是来看中文的呀~~
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2 b. V7 p& m- i& C0 I 想跟着灌,插不进嘴~
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:36 | 显示全部楼层
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俺是胆小怕事的主儿,原想用英文回英文,竟被人揭发出“用俺自己也不懂的(英文)词,唉,惭愧呀!/ b  G+ U3 d1 h) f9 g/ n+ M8 r' `+ }
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没有人找到加国的税法?我是没辄,公司的LAP TOP给BLOCK了 
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:46 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:06 发表( u3 o0 h4 Q0 L6 i0 r' Z
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2 i: O5 A& m+ M' R$ }% r  M* L大家也别周旋什么法律了。那给小费虽然不是法律, 但是叫做:习俗常规(custom)。不给小费不会被抓进监狱, 但是会被人不耻. 这世界上并非所有行为都被法律法规明文,比如你当众放屁谁也管不着,甚至你没憋住放了一个两个的,别人还会善意的微笑,但是你天天吃黄豆,到了办公室一边放炮一边扭屁股,你说这。。。。再比如你当众。。。哈哈,不举那么多例子了。
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:47 | 显示全部楼层
唉。难怪去饭馆不时遭怠慢。敢情原来不少同胞不给小费(少于10%, 给不给差不多)。。。难怪人家stereotype
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LAWs are NOT the only rules of live.
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:01 发表! j8 O9 R- Y4 O; s. d: @

( \5 y: }6 v/ R* qhaha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.
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8 y" g( o  a/ a3 e% ?2 N- ]the point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  ! y/ x! |7 t$ ^) a% U8 \+ q6 ?
There's no law/regulation that you can force people to tip, even if they may be considered rude for not tipping.  
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Or maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.
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如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了!随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去
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$ B. P3 C1 H2 q: `: P, Q1 j5 t你别捣乱了,可怜可怜大雪天送餐的兄弟们吧!
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 12:56 发表9 H- [+ r% |3 w0 ~

7 u- z/ D; T- o8 ^+ l" m$ H" g 还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗?就是虽不为法,但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
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你别捣乱了,可怜可怜 ...

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i do agree with most of people here that tipping is a custom that most of us, INCLUDING MYSELF follow when we receive services here.
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i was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented "但是据说做服务行业的人缴税的时候,政府已经把你的小费收入算进去了,所以拿不到小费的确让服务员气愤。 " with "街头传闻不可信" in reply No.42.  Then someone brought up the guides and US tax laws...3 G0 X5 H5 x9 }$ Z

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发表于 2006-11-27 14:08 | 显示全部楼层
又搞这么多英语
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原帖由 疯青羊 于 2006-11-27 13:08 发表
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是,英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的,没有法律支持的道德只是空谈~
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 13:05 发表, T2 [) S+ k/ Z* G2 D, N; P7 D" K4 I" @

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i do agree with most of people here this is a custom that most of us, including myself follow when we receive services here.4 y" E4 k  k" n. j
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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:11 发表! c; b) O2 N# F+ h9 R9 I# V$ ~

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/ w' e) P, D# p* F: k. n/ s, m: a是,英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的,没有法律支持的道德只是空谈~

- B* T/ t9 m& z看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:14 发表2 N  V. Q( q. ?, R

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/ X$ u) X: S; z 正全力督办此事。
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靠,老哈不给面子,说侵犯他人权,他第一个反对,我正在努力游说议会中~
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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:20 发表/ V+ t5 w# i. `8 K
靠,老哈不给面子,说侵犯他人权,他第一个反对,我正在努力游说议会中~

6 b. Y6 T  \5 _  `) N& W真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?
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原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
: t; ~7 B1 O' t6 b' H  T$ u再按门铃, 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次, 将手放在胸口作拿钱状7 D# j( h& A; K+ w
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3 再问是否送得太慢,
& a; i7 o- K$ X* m4 在问是否服务太差。
5 E+ |8 m/ v+ Y8 p  L5 H5 最后,说白了如果不是服务差, ...
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这些招数值得一试。: K, p$ f6 v* Y" J* u* A& {
我以前在蒙城的时候去过一家墨西哥餐厅,更绝,收费的时候直接把小费要出来,15%。其实好像很多地方都是直接以服务费的名目要出来的,记得以前学得很多外语资料(英语和法语)都有这样介绍的。
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?
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唉,俺可不是说了吗?可老哈说屁股大,鼻子小,小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言 2 o5 p  c) T$ |" j6 k4 u4 M
我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉,三大妈有空也来吧,咱好好给他讲讲~
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:29 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
" R$ I/ Z$ ]% q+ S+ j, S8 t$ b再按门铃, 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次, 将手放在胸口作拿钱状4 I( \! t  B. h4 u0 G# M+ X
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1 问他们是否有东西缺了, 5 }6 h2 E: F+ _4 L5 o& L( z+ }) m
2 再问是否需要点其他的,
' l$ F- t( X$ l2 b% B5 D7 d) X$ e, d3 再问是否送得太慢, , K, g" d  l: b" q8 Q
4 在问是否服务太差。
2 t! G$ W( ]% M; L( L. }5 最后,说白了如果不是服务差, ...

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这个应该管用!  
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:35 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:28 发表
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7 p: o; r% l/ k/ r9 h唉,俺可不是说了吗?可老哈说屁股大,鼻子小,小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言
6 r" a( }0 ]- f/ X我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉,三大妈有空也来吧,咱好好给他讲讲~
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笨!你也不琢磨琢磨! 谁说鼻孔小? :kaixin:  $ \+ v# L& B/ r. V

( Z( c2 E6 Z# R咳!我就更没地位了!俺有一次跟三大爷急了,我说: 我们家里我爸每次放屁都要到门口去! 你三大爷说: 那当然了,你们家都是女的,就你爸一个男的阿!真同情你爸爸! 按咱家目前情况, 你要是嫌弃,我们放屁你完全可以去门口!  
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! \. k, |! e4 L, t& O有空也不敢去, 你们有在国内耍过猴的给我看孩子才使得.
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