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送外卖,不给小费正常吗?

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发表于 2006-11-27 12:46 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:43 发表
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You may argue this was for the US. I have to admit I am not formiliar with Canada Tax Regulations. I just know the income tax in Canada is much higher than the states.
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hoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.8 d7 ~  G/ P1 i6 W! r

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Someone from UK, NZ, AU or even HK dig out the tip-tax laws there?
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:46 发表' m9 n; v* l4 |: _/ b( _/ O
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hoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.* F' @+ y7 Z: y' J2 [
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US law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspect ...

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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.  A( J7 C6 ~; J! w$ m  b0 i

2 O) S- h% ]9 X4 ABut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothing., p- W2 k  d! p
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表/ O& x+ ?" e7 C0 M
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I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as his own "rules" but common sense means nothing.

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& J( z3 n+ h, H: T* J. Hplease refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but that still doesn't make it a law!
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[ 本帖最后由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:54 编辑 ]
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发表于 2006-11-27 12:53 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表# j9 _% z7 n+ I) R
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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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! Y- ]) l2 L8 {But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

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Your last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.
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tip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada
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what's the logic there?" M9 `$ I( ~* J. r7 C

0 ~4 T; @3 Q7 l7 ?5 C, a6 ^when you are talking about law, you cannot use your own guess/think/assumption.  put out some valid facts before you jump to the ridiculous conclusion!
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:51 发表
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1 c, E% e5 w  {- Lplease refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but it still doesn't make it a law!

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haha you were so fast and anxious to fight me, before I even finished editing.
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 17:49 发表
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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...
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9 j. b2 d! [" {+ u7 `9 ^# ATo Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!
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4 T. {3 H5 c& |The exception is: some new comer does not know the common sense
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发表于 2006-11-27 12:58 | 显示全部楼层
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全是英语呀? 上这来就是来看中文的呀~~
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:01 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 裙裾飘飘 于 2006-11-27 11:57 发表2 o4 q( ~$ t' s8 G) b0 s* f% v
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. ]0 K1 ~6 H0 Z/ j8 `To Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!! / R  o7 n2 H; }0 q& l$ u

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haha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.
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/ y8 g  b, O" A+ w9 M4 {1 qthe point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  ' r- T/ Z! `% [, t4 z
There's no law/regulation that you can force people to tip, even if they may be considered rude for not tipping.  
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Or maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:02 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:53 发表
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Your last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.
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what's the logic there?
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when you are talking about ...

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I am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:07 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 12:02 发表
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' Y3 D+ m+ g/ D9 z, |2 e( J: jI am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion

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right, i do hold tight to my own opinion.
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:18 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:07 发表" b4 l2 }( v, H$ {

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don't use big words that you don't understand.   

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发表于 2006-11-27 13:20 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 让爱住我家 于 2006-11-27 11:58 发表
! T6 D/ K& U# Y5 [* w& Z  ]全是英语呀? 上这来就是来看中文的呀~~
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想跟着灌,插不进嘴~
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:36 | 显示全部楼层
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俺是胆小怕事的主儿,原想用英文回英文,竟被人揭发出“用俺自己也不懂的(英文)词,唉,惭愧呀!
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:46 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:06 发表
) _5 ]* `2 B- V- g2 p& Nwell, just for clarification purpose
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i am paying my tips, although it's something typical only/mainly in the english speaking coutries.
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i understand that the waiters/waitresses and other pe ...

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大家也别周旋什么法律了。那给小费虽然不是法律, 但是叫做:习俗常规(custom)。不给小费不会被抓进监狱, 但是会被人不耻. 这世界上并非所有行为都被法律法规明文,比如你当众放屁谁也管不着,甚至你没憋住放了一个两个的,别人还会善意的微笑,但是你天天吃黄豆,到了办公室一边放炮一边扭屁股,你说这。。。。再比如你当众。。。哈哈,不举那么多例子了。
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:47 | 显示全部楼层
唉。难怪去饭馆不时遭怠慢。敢情原来不少同胞不给小费(少于10%, 给不给差不多)。。。难怪人家stereotype
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:55 | 显示全部楼层
LAWs are NOT the only rules of live.
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:01 发表8 \( D4 G& }6 a

4 T" V' k* p. k/ R/ E+ e9 k- Q: V! yhaha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.
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There's no law/regulation that you can force people to tip, even if they may be considered rude for not tipping.  
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还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗?就是虽不为法,但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。' N" K# s; Y7 U. G
如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了!随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 12:56 发表
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还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗?就是虽不为法,但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。3 w: @3 c/ U; C& s# S; v# s$ f
如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了!随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去
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% @9 d& h5 C+ x' [i do agree with most of people here that tipping is a custom that most of us, INCLUDING MYSELF follow when we receive services here.+ n3 g& O+ F- W4 J8 G4 U) j* \

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发表于 2006-11-27 14:08 | 显示全部楼层
又搞这么多英语
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:11 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 疯青羊 于 2006-11-27 13:08 发表
( I$ t/ k: o7 z又搞这么多英语
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是,英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的,没有法律支持的道德只是空谈~
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 13:05 发表
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还是灌水的正事儿要紧
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:14 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:11 发表5 G- |% [: d4 a: {4 H

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看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:14 发表' F0 k, k7 J4 V8 x
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看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!
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正全力督办此事。
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:20 | 显示全部楼层
靠,老哈不给面子,说侵犯他人权,他第一个反对,我正在努力游说议会中~
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:23 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:20 发表  ?6 i  i+ h, g: h& W* ^* p
靠,老哈不给面子,说侵犯他人权,他第一个反对,我正在努力游说议会中~
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真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?
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原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
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3 再问是否送得太慢,
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5 最后,说白了如果不是服务差, ...
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我以前在蒙城的时候去过一家墨西哥餐厅,更绝,收费的时候直接把小费要出来,15%。其实好像很多地方都是直接以服务费的名目要出来的,记得以前学得很多外语资料(英语和法语)都有这样介绍的。
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?
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5 s, S. f( u$ \& u- h( s/ h# ihahaha, then there might be proposals for "fart shield" design,
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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8 u! r' q" S8 y3 \* B  A* O# h真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?
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唉,俺可不是说了吗?可老哈说屁股大,鼻子小,小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言
+ @" R$ ~. z9 Y6 y1 T; H0 G我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉,三大妈有空也来吧,咱好好给他讲讲~
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老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
7 x. [. U$ [. b5 j! D再按门铃, 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次, 将手放在胸口作拿钱状
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1 问他们是否有东西缺了,
3 U/ W* V* S' R$ h& n2 再问是否需要点其他的, 0 [5 g4 [  Q, F5 D$ S
3 再问是否送得太慢,
: O2 K* Y, ]6 T, m+ N4 在问是否服务太差。 " @8 h9 M7 L' [3 y# L) i
5 最后,说白了如果不是服务差, ...
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这个应该管用!  
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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:28 发表
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# p3 ^% j9 L% L  t& O唉,俺可不是说了吗?可老哈说屁股大,鼻子小,小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言 ; A) e. [' P) _
我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉,三大妈有空也来吧,咱好好给他讲讲~

7 V4 `8 x- o* K/ C0 k  X笨!你也不琢磨琢磨! 谁说鼻孔小? :kaixin:  
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# o# c: ]4 E* P, S4 n咳!我就更没地位了!俺有一次跟三大爷急了,我说: 我们家里我爸每次放屁都要到门口去! 你三大爷说: 那当然了,你们家都是女的,就你爸一个男的阿!真同情你爸爸! 按咱家目前情况, 你要是嫌弃,我们放屁你完全可以去门口!  ( b+ ^0 Y' D* y3 t% I+ r

4 M3 v1 S! Z2 |" I有空也不敢去, 你们有在国内耍过猴的给我看孩子才使得.
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