送外卖，不给小费正常吗？

elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:43 发表

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For Employer:
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9 m" u& I' w& Y# ]! k2 jYou may argue this was for the US. I have to admit I am not formiliar with Canada Tax Regulations. I just know the income tax in Canada is much higher than the states.

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# w! y& K# ~2 Whoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.
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2 I6 J% U5 \1 j) f8 tUS law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspects!
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- g6 ?* h& q  tSomeone from UK, NZ, AU or even HK dig out the tip-tax laws there?
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OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:46 发表
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hoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.
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US law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspect ...

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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.

9 b; _$ e; k+ G% U5 V/ v1 ~But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothing.
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elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表

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- A$ i& h7 i- k+ _I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as his own "rules" but common sense means nothing.

/ G* c* K5 D+ N0 e, fplease refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but that still doesn't make it a law!

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elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表
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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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6 w7 c- l# T6 g. {* cBut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

Your last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.

. N. U7 `5 ^% \5 utip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada

what's the logic there?
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when you are talking about law, you cannot use your own guess/think/assumption.  put out some valid facts before you jump to the ridiculous conclusion!

OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:51 发表


4 K4 e! ]5 {0 s6 R4 P! Jplease refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but it still doesn't make it a law!

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haha you were so fast and anxious to fight me, before I even finished editing.

裙裾飘飘

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 17:49 发表
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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

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/ o* _( G: H+ m! gTo Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!

The exception is: some new comer does not know the common sense

让爱住我家

全是英语呀？ 上这来就是来看中文的呀～～

刚看了好几篇paper，头都大了。

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elle

原帖由 裙裾飘飘 于 2006-11-27 11:57 发表

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To Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!
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& j0 o7 |! z$ Q3 YThe exception is: so ...

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haha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.

" `2 V- H4 K' W+ P% {9 Othe point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
- R( u+ z0 c1 D) T" xThere's no law/regulation that you can force people to tip, even if they may be considered rude for not tipping.  
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6 M* i# @3 j1 o- b& N# X" K- |Or maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.
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OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:53 发表

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Your last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.

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% L6 t2 ]/ m& C7 v) twhat's the logic there?
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0 x, X3 a, D8 Y4 M4 }5 i/ Dwhen you are talking about ...

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" {1 j$ i0 }# r3 dI am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion

elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 12:02 发表
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8 ~' X; e# M. Z) C* {. M5 gI am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion

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  @5 q4 v  u1 J0 f) m6 Q3 N: Rit's not accusing, don't use big words that you don't understand.  

9 S/ q; o( J! G9 sright, i do hold tight to my own opinion.

OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:07 发表


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  I 服了U! :chongbai: :chongbai: :chongbai: :chongbai:

猪刀小试

原帖由 让爱住我家 于 2006-11-27 11:58 发表
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想跟着灌，插不进嘴～

OliveOil

俺是胆小怕事的主儿，原想用英文回英文，竟被人揭发出“用俺自己也不懂的（英文）词，唉，惭愧呀！
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三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:06 发表
2 e. o7 P& _1 a' L5 Jwell, just for clarification purpose

i am paying my tips, although it's something typical only/mainly in the english speaking coutries.
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! o$ [  y0 L0 j  K! E1 W6 Ai understand that the waiters/waitresses and other pe ...

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1 z& a3 S4 q0 d" F3 b* U1 j7 W大家也别周旋什么法律了。那给小费虽然不是法律, 但是叫做：习俗常规（custom)。不给小费不会被抓进监狱, 但是会被人不耻. 这世界上并非所有行为都被法律法规明文，比如你当众放屁谁也管不着，甚至你没憋住放了一个两个的，别人还会善意的微笑，但是你天天吃黄豆，到了办公室一边放炮一边扭屁股，你说这。。。。再比如你当众。。。哈哈，不举那么多例子了。
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U-boat

唉。难怪去饭馆不时遭怠慢。敢情原来不少同胞不给小费（少于10%， 给不给差不多）。。。难怪人家stereotype

smalleagle

LAWs are NOT the only rules of live.

三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:01 发表

- L) l7 G8 p2 G, |2 Jhaha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.
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the point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
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Or maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.
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还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗？就是虽不为法，但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了！随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去

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你别捣乱了，可怜可怜大雪天送餐的兄弟们吧！

elle

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 12:56 发表

还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗？就是虽不为法，但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
2 [, n, m$ c' S2 ?如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了！随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去
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' ^6 N- v7 m4 Q4 B0 xi do agree with most of people here that tipping is a custom that most of us, INCLUDING MYSELF follow when we receive services here.

i was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented "但是据说做服务行业的人缴税的时候，政府已经把你的小费收入算进去了，所以拿不到小费的确让服务员气愤。 " with "街头传闻不可信" in reply No.42.  Then someone brought up the guides and US tax laws...

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疯青羊

又搞这么多英语

猪刀小试

原帖由 疯青羊 于 2006-11-27 13:08 发表
又搞这么多英语

7 ~9 q+ @; f. {6 p6 O是，英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的，没有法律支持的道德只是空谈～

三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 13:05 发表

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i was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented &q ...

你看看, 整儿个一个跑题,谁跟谁一头的都乱了!

还是灌水的正事儿要紧

三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:11 发表
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是，英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的，没有法律支持的道德只是空谈～

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猪刀小试

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:14 发表
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. U. L" l6 J/ {- l) c1 ~$ l 正全力督办此事。

猪刀小试

靠，老哈不给面子，说侵犯他人权，他第一个反对，我正在努力游说议会中～

三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:20 发表
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1 G6 R( u7 h" l# j5 \' u0 G真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

francais

原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
再按门铃， 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次， 将手放在胸口作拿钱状

3 p* F# x3 r& S3 i: t( v7 e1 问他们是否有东西缺了，
0 ~( U9 K" c# B( u0 r# G' R2 再问是否需要点其他的，
* H. F8 T1 ]6 v3 y) `% N+ D3 再问是否送得太慢，
4 在问是否服务太差。
% P) G' H) a" l& y8 [5 最后，说白了如果不是服务差， ...

这些招数值得一试。
我以前在蒙城的时候去过一家墨西哥餐厅，更绝，收费的时候直接把小费要出来，15％。其实好像很多地方都是直接以服务费的名目要出来的，记得以前学得很多外语资料（英语和法语）都有这样介绍的。

elle

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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( }8 Z8 f0 w1 t2 X真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

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猪刀小试

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

) y3 |$ _! b5 l8 M* |5 f唉，俺可不是说了吗？可老哈说屁股大，鼻子小，小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言
我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉，三大妈有空也来吧，咱好好给他讲讲～

酷暑严寒

原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
再按门铃， 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次， 将手放在胸口作拿钱状

1 问他们是否有东西缺了，
2 再问是否需要点其他的，
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5 最后，说白了如果不是服务差， ...

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这个应该管用！  

三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:28 发表

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唉，俺可不是说了吗？可老哈说屁股大，鼻子小，小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言
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6 l* J8 t3 ?. @笨!你也不琢磨琢磨! 谁说鼻孔小? :kaixin:  

咳!我就更没地位了!俺有一次跟三大爷急了,我说: 我们家里我爸每次放屁都要到门口去! 你三大爷说: 那当然了,你们家都是女的,就你爸一个男的阿!真同情你爸爸! 按咱家目前情况, 你要是嫌弃,我们放屁你完全可以去门口!  
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