送外卖，不给小费正常吗？

elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:43 发表
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For Employer:
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* Z# v# i- m1 y8 yYou may argue this was for the US. I have to admit I am not formiliar with Canada Tax Regulations. I just know the income tax in Canada is much higher than the states.

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. Q+ ~. R* a: Q$ ?- `hoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.
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0 d- U; f+ P) p0 d' K. X& G! l7 N4 jUS law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspects!

Someone from UK, NZ, AU or even HK dig out the tip-tax laws there?
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OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:46 发表
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  L! D! W* m( U( u/ t; fhoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.
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. h0 h3 i6 V0 N( t" ?! ?US law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspect ...

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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.

But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothing.
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elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表
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) z$ A# H; b' D/ |! SI guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as his own "rules" but common sense means nothing.

5 D  r2 c9 P2 B- T' w( xplease refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but that still doesn't make it a law!

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elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表
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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.

But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

Your last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.
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tip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada
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what's the logic there?
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2 V6 _, v& N1 x& x0 I5 Wwhen you are talking about law, you cannot use your own guess/think/assumption.  put out some valid facts before you jump to the ridiculous conclusion!

OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:51 发表
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% X1 `9 N2 E' G' q2 @& B2 Mplease refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but it still doesn't make it a law!

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1 e$ R: I/ n  N# [/ b' m5 @haha you were so fast and anxious to fight me, before I even finished editing.

裙裾飘飘

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 17:49 发表

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$ E8 J3 M- Y( ?  v& L& Q& KUh, I don't think you read my last sentence.

  I8 u' A  V" Z: a0 M! T6 Q% pBut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

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- m+ q( k  @* }. k5 q$ P2 B% eTo Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!
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The exception is: some new comer does not know the common sense

让爱住我家

全是英语呀？ 上这来就是来看中文的呀～～
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刚看了好几篇paper，头都大了。
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写中文吧，各位～～

elle

原帖由 裙裾飘飘 于 2006-11-27 11:57 发表


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To Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!
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The exception is: so ...

haha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.

the point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
There's no law/regulation that you can force people to tip, even if they may be considered rude for not tipping.  

Or maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.
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OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:53 发表


Your last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.

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what's the logic there?
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when you are talking about ...

+ s- @/ |3 X; L* jI am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion

elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 12:02 发表
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& t& `' T. W2 d9 A) }" T' vI am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion

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it's not accusing, don't use big words that you don't understand.  

right, i do hold tight to my own opinion.

OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:07 发表


don't use big words that you don't understand.   

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原帖由 让爱住我家 于 2006-11-27 11:58 发表
5 X" U# F/ x6 e# w全是英语呀？ 上这来就是来看中文的呀～～

刚看了好几篇paper，头都大了。
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写中文吧，各位～～

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OliveOil

俺是胆小怕事的主儿，原想用英文回英文，竟被人揭发出“用俺自己也不懂的（英文）词，唉，惭愧呀！

没有人找到加国的税法？我是没辄，公司的LAP　TOP给BLOCK了　

三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:06 发表
  l% o1 U0 H6 C3 n8 P8 J# q7 vwell, just for clarification purpose
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i am paying my tips, although it's something typical only/mainly in the english speaking coutries.

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这小妮子真要讲理哈！
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大家也别周旋什么法律了。那给小费虽然不是法律, 但是叫做：习俗常规（custom)。不给小费不会被抓进监狱, 但是会被人不耻. 这世界上并非所有行为都被法律法规明文，比如你当众放屁谁也管不着，甚至你没憋住放了一个两个的，别人还会善意的微笑，但是你天天吃黄豆，到了办公室一边放炮一边扭屁股，你说这。。。。再比如你当众。。。哈哈，不举那么多例子了。

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U-boat

唉。难怪去饭馆不时遭怠慢。敢情原来不少同胞不给小费（少于10%， 给不给差不多）。。。难怪人家stereotype

smalleagle

LAWs are NOT the only rules of live.

三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:01 发表
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% {& h8 [: d2 P: H  W1 y  Xhaha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.

7 n! H2 h! ^- H! \the point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
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4 L/ t: Q7 D( X$ V/ f5 ^Or maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.

: U4 V) w) j% s3 ] 还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗？就是虽不为法，但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了！随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去
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elle

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 12:56 发表
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还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗？就是虽不为法，但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了！随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去

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- t) I4 n/ q  F: }$ y2 {, }i do agree with most of people here that tipping is a custom that most of us, INCLUDING MYSELF follow when we receive services here.
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- M" K& W) g( v" y/ E2 f# oi was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented "但是据说做服务行业的人缴税的时候，政府已经把你的小费收入算进去了，所以拿不到小费的确让服务员气愤。 " with "街头传闻不可信" in reply No.42.  Then someone brought up the guides and US tax laws...

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疯青羊

又搞这么多英语

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原帖由 疯青羊 于 2006-11-27 13:08 发表
又搞这么多英语

& I8 R8 t: I# Q是，英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的，没有法律支持的道德只是空谈～

三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 13:05 发表
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i do agree with most of people here this is a custom that most of us, including myself follow when we receive services here.
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你看看, 整儿个一个跑题,谁跟谁一头的都乱了!

还是灌水的正事儿要紧

三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:11 发表


7 K* l/ ^( h3 i$ e4 b& I5 ^+ [是，英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的，没有法律支持的道德只是空谈～

9 |! Y; i2 {# P: r: Y4 B5 w看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!

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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:14 发表
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( c9 w. ?& J% L+ d) _* P1 ?看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!

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正全力督办此事。

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靠，老哈不给面子，说侵犯他人权，他第一个反对，我正在努力游说议会中～

三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:20 发表
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真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

francais

原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
$ J! a8 l% K2 x  z  Z  ~- h4 y再按门铃， 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次， 将手放在胸口作拿钱状
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' M) k; c4 r7 x1 问他们是否有东西缺了，
/ g# B3 R8 ~3 H# l. d! s" x2 再问是否需要点其他的，
* a) e8 \& G! \! B* g3 再问是否送得太慢，
4 在问是否服务太差。
6 ?5 y7 A' e2 R! i' ^5 最后，说白了如果不是服务差， ...

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* R9 J7 m) Z0 O9 n, ]6 g) z! r这些招数值得一试。
/ o9 f) E, ]$ ]" Y, k9 ~/ y+ ~我以前在蒙城的时候去过一家墨西哥餐厅，更绝，收费的时候直接把小费要出来，15％。其实好像很多地方都是直接以服务费的名目要出来的，记得以前学得很多外语资料（英语和法语）都有这样介绍的。

elle

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表

# X- z1 C# l- ~( Q7 {% l' E. s真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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/ A% @3 w7 d" V4 E8 k真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

唉，俺可不是说了吗？可老哈说屁股大，鼻子小，小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言
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酷暑严寒

原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
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2 再问是否需要点其他的，
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4 在问是否服务太差。
5 最后，说白了如果不是服务差， ...

这个应该管用！  

三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:28 发表
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5 K+ x- Y; Q: o唉，俺可不是说了吗？可老哈说屁股大，鼻子小，小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言
我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉，三大妈有空也来吧，咱好好给他讲讲～

; [9 W7 I8 i0 B! E  J; j# y) |笨!你也不琢磨琢磨! 谁说鼻孔小? :kaixin:  
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0 J, }. k/ _7 L& K% a6 N* Z咳!我就更没地位了!俺有一次跟三大爷急了,我说: 我们家里我爸每次放屁都要到门口去! 你三大爷说: 那当然了,你们家都是女的,就你爸一个男的阿!真同情你爸爸! 按咱家目前情况, 你要是嫌弃,我们放屁你完全可以去门口!  

有空也不敢去, 你们有在国内耍过猴的给我看孩子才使得.