合同工和正式工，如果最后收入相等，工资比例应该是多少？

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summer_tina 发表于 2013-3-14 17:10
3 a- a! Q9 B8 W2 h- B嗯，很多牛人。的确是。
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当然，也有混的啦

: e' m6 C. c4 B我看到的合同工还都有些本事，大小之分，混子还没看到过。

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marie 发表于 2013-3-14 21:31
6 X) f5 \, x* v; I9 }my landlord's wife, she is a contractor( PDMS designer) in an engineering company, pay is very good, ...

那么你是没有试用期吗？

marie

Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel insurance
card, if I visit china, US, cover accident. My medicine is 100% cover, I got them. the glasses $250, sate shoe, $150, message $500/year, foot pads, $400, clean teeth and filled, 100% cover, since tomorrow,
I will enjoy my benefits, I select the Sunday overtime. Normally, 3 months, but I worked 1 week, they gave
; t9 E& `3 |( `% ?8 C# |me these card, filled RRSP form, I never ask them, interview, I only ask wage, other I didn't ask.About low EQ

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-14 08:32
, E) W4 A+ n. O: h还有心态，运气。而往往心态会影响运气。

7 ?% q! Z! L. D- p7 V你这里说的能力，不光是技能方面的能力，更重要的是EQ的能力 ...

0 W2 \9 g% p  l) @* z2 eIn canada, there are many opportunities to test EQ.

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 17:51
Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel in ...

其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 18:33
$ R: V) E: L2 {% O8 v" d: ]" t- S( B# |其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

no 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
( F- u5 x+ i: n( y+ b0 F7 F: cI like vwry much, it is free, only RRSP reduce from my pay, employer pay 6%.
3 y( G# K4 |# f% r% rTomorrow, I will do message, nothing pay, I show my benefit card, they take your NO,
- x+ v; G( k/ H! o6 x$ e( hask insurance company pay, no me!
Why not? I go to Wal mart, $250 plus exam fees, all the insurance company pay!

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自己做，啥都没有的路过！

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 18:43
5 _* [8 d3 i5 b! i( V- o) Wno 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
1 V% X. j% U: d# h0 r3 {; ^0 ZI like vwry much, it i ...

& S4 V) {& [7 J# F0 D你还是没有理解我的话.

' K9 K1 x0 l" J) ^+ {Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

# ^9 }. w* ~" W' ~# t而employee把该到手的钱变成这些福利了,这不是强迫消费是什么?
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marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
4 R# y: L% k/ G你还是没有理解我的话.
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6 G" r2 x) G# F" c# k; ^6 G  ^& MContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

classes, every 2 years I must change, RRSP I buy it every year,  I every day eat medicine, clean teeth
8 W2 ^- G: }5 ^2 s7 mevery 6 months, filled, I changed 6 teeth, teeth treat, expensive. message, facing I like to do. If i happened
accident, my daughter will get compensation. no more charge me, I like. I enjoy.
( ~5 E* L  h$ Q) D7 ~3 O0 uIn the future, i would like to try a contractor position. Now, they need me, I keep this position.
- g/ E2 h: N) C  [how long, I don't know.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
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Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

# |7 y. x4 N& N. l; ]& f四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must pay by myself. I had heavy sick, on time eating medicine, keep to work, health is the more and more better.

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
# F# j/ b) `! T4 {四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

姐姐的这种情况，不适合做CONTRACTOR，真的！

marie

my positions always are perm! my best position are in Wichita,KS, US, manufacturing engineer, in aerospace
$ i; ?% A6 O2 `area, because of I have not US greencard ,US citizen, I cann't work long term! In Houston, design engineer
3 L% a! ], p1 aa single office, for my daughter, I quited this good job, come back AB, driving a car about 4 days. Then,
come in Ontario, picked up my daughter to Edmonton from Ontario.
2 h$ ?; v- g/ \4 K) P10 years ago, I was a labor in KUS canada, 12 hours shift, 6:00am to 6pm, or 6pm to 6am, after  6 months I moved to winsor, KUS closed down! In Windsor I started professional position.
$ c- b6 A6 h! X% v$ W/ x+ X' S# bNow, I am the better than 10 years ago. passed many difficults, I still are health, happy, modern and young( look young)
# ]3 U. E# b$ YThanks! lovely small girl!

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
, q( ^9 K" ?+ g7 ~* |四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

我不年轻了.不过我每年花在看病吃药上,不到100加币.其实也很多年没看病了,连体检都不去.
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9 n: c8 d; h7 x# ~/ a洗牙是回国再洗,我受不了这边的,洗一次牙,都要让你走两趟.
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' E5 u9 k/ ]* m8 R7 {象你的身体情况,真不应该老换工作,每换一次工作,就得迎接新的挑战和压力.应该找一份比较轻松的工作.

marie

current benefits come from of 换工作, if there are no 挑战和压力, the company never hire me.
I cann't show my experiences. Next step, they will train me to learn new software( 1 week), I will lose
) @: S0 Y. `0 f- Kthe good chance. Don't worried about 老年痴呆症. Life is in moving
Tomorrow, I still work( overtime) 10 hours(7am-5pm), I will edit some programs and setting.

量子风水

合同工与非合同工，是看自己的成熟程度。如果成熟程度高，又不等钱用，合同工是优于长工的。我公司的创办人之一，已经到退休年龄，他就是做contractor。他可能是三五个月都在世界各地旅游了，偶尔才回公司一次。他是远程办公，用网络通过安全卡来做测试。
# T# C+ |7 F4 ]( ]4 R1 D5 ^我在卡城的同事，也是喜欢做contractor，他是‘从来没有在家闲上二个月的’，工资都不低于10万一年。
6 R5 v, q6 j$ w# X  y* ?& S这与他的职业性质有关，他是做C#之类高级程序研发，这种职业面宽。而我就学不了他，我的专业面窄，是不宜做contractor，只能先后senior engineer/lead努力，以后再图其他。

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同时与marie一样，在专业领域有相似成功，也曾经长期单身的女性，但即有不同的处世方式，并且应用得成功，而且福泽下一代，这种类型的女性，还是值得佩服与学习。
印象深的一次，是她家邻居有个冷气机，夏天时噪音很大。她不是去投诉人家，而是用想用一种和平的途径来解决纷争--显然，邻居并非有意，这是可以用和平方式解决的前提。这样做当然成功，邻居将冷气机的防护罩去掉，噪音就很小，而夏天热天也没有几天，所以不伤和气。
世界不是你一个人的，即使是毛公这样的政治家，有杀子之仇恨的美国，都要建交，所以适当使用妥协，也是一种很好的途径。
# ]  v$ `) K3 C- Z- H3 z当生活中没有那么多纷争时，人生病的机会就少。

marie

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八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
你还是没有理解我的话.

4 c. z4 N) J. p* r! s8 o1 B* NContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

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5 N* N& _1 ~# WThese are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
because of I never become a contractor, let me know about contractor knowledge please
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; h7 h# s8 F: r& _Dental Benefits Summary:
Benefit Type         Payable At
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Routine               
0 e  \! f0 k% m        Basic                 100%
6 B* l2 }( o* V        Endodontics                 100%
& }: C& s) H0 [        Periodontics                 100%
        Preventative                 100%
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        Global Medical Assistance         Covered

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marie 发表于 2013-3-16 15:56
These are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
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) {9 F% _: G# q" _6 c; {8 e, @9 U还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.
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好好享受这些福利啊.如果觉得合适和足够的话,就别再换了,公司给这么好这么多的福利,也是为了能留住人才啊.
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2 F' D. a* G" Z$ C  I至于Contractor的细节,我也不想多说,其实也没什么好说,你列出来得所有福利,一项都没有,就简简单单的,每小时是多少钱就多少钱.

量子风水

中国人口是13亿，而加拿大是3千万，这种差异，使得在加拿大，有几十人的公司，就是中型公司了；有几个工程师的团队，就可以服务一个中型公司。这是在优势上，不能用中国的标准来衡量加拿大的标准。
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: V2 s9 ~" C" [' A2 K- a* C  S$ q所以，在这里，如果一家中有两个或以上的同一类别的developers, 就有可以形成一定的气候，可以外接一些简单的程序开发项目；如果再联系另一家，就可以做更大一些的项目。而contractor是向这个方向努力的最简便起步途径，这种contractor就是一种'自雇‘性质的管理。
# N. I; T7 @6 _, y/ E+ Q9 M成功是经验、管理与技能的三重积累。人家有这种条件，不但有两个或以上的程序员，而且朋友圈中也有许多程序员，从而可能产生能量聚合，这就当然向这个方向努力。

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-16 16:20
1 X4 \- X( L7 B, w谢谢你啊.

还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.

I will, thanks!
: t1 B4 Q! _8 m& c* {3 [$ h$ q( P5 OI was a small engineer in china, same as me in china, too many ,too many! I never did team leader, never
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