合同工和正式工，如果最后收入相等，工资比例应该是多少？

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summer_tina 发表于 2013-3-14 17:10
/ `) v4 u5 I8 i& G4 d! O2 E( z9 J嗯，很多牛人。的确是。

当然，也有混的啦

  d( j# g! r" R( `: N- A  a$ l, j6 n我看到的合同工还都有些本事，大小之分，混子还没看到过。

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marie 发表于 2013-3-14 21:31
  Y" I' E( s& ^' G4 wmy landlord's wife, she is a contractor( PDMS designer) in an engineering company, pay is very good, ...

那么你是没有试用期吗？

marie

Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel insurance
card, if I visit china, US, cover accident. My medicine is 100% cover, I got them. the glasses $250, sate shoe, $150, message $500/year, foot pads, $400, clean teeth and filled, 100% cover, since tomorrow,
* X0 W3 a6 J* T3 x: ZI will enjoy my benefits, I select the Sunday overtime. Normally, 3 months, but I worked 1 week, they gave
me these card, filled RRSP form, I never ask them, interview, I only ask wage, other I didn't ask.About low EQ

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-14 08:32
还有心态，运气。而往往心态会影响运气。

2 u5 g2 w8 q: [  W2 H+ B$ v你这里说的能力，不光是技能方面的能力，更重要的是EQ的能力 ...

In canada, there are many opportunities to test EQ.

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 17:51
; p# n' d/ V) p8 K4 _Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel in ...

其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 18:33
( ^& Z! a- A  W+ q# }& ^其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

no 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
) V9 I9 W. u. i2 GI like vwry much, it is free, only RRSP reduce from my pay, employer pay 6%.
2 v8 R# j2 w6 D, I; ETomorrow, I will do message, nothing pay, I show my benefit card, they take your NO,
6 x5 G" M. }/ g! w0 Q$ Eask insurance company pay, no me!
) I# Z) E2 _1 a, t' ^3 QWhy not? I go to Wal mart, $250 plus exam fees, all the insurance company pay!

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自己做，啥都没有的路过！

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 18:43
no 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
I like vwry much, it i ...

你还是没有理解我的话.

+ r$ ]- |$ `. L  |Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.
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% o( [8 j( N: m0 F, a$ B+ c而employee把该到手的钱变成这些福利了,这不是强迫消费是什么?

象这些,给了我,我都不会去消费的,那换成钱,到自己口袋里,想怎么花就怎么花.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
你还是没有理解我的话.

, C  H5 z3 e6 N& p8 eContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

8 x" I( h2 C4 fclasses, every 2 years I must change, RRSP I buy it every year,  I every day eat medicine, clean teeth
every 6 months, filled, I changed 6 teeth, teeth treat, expensive. message, facing I like to do. If i happened
accident, my daughter will get compensation. no more charge me, I like. I enjoy.
1 B5 g- Z' S. v- l: w" EIn the future, i would like to try a contractor position. Now, they need me, I keep this position.
2 o+ E# H: Q+ s( @+ p4 \5 Yhow long, I don't know.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
# h5 l% Q  d/ b2 \! q$ }7 r你还是没有理解我的话.
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# ^$ F7 V; R5 d3 x8 f" I7 t- `Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must pay by myself. I had heavy sick, on time eating medicine, keep to work, health is the more and more better.

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
, f$ p) E3 n7 q) n1 a四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

0 C7 V& U+ [4 ~7 H3 e. D: @" A1 x1 m# C姐姐的这种情况，不适合做CONTRACTOR，真的！

marie

my positions always are perm! my best position are in Wichita,KS, US, manufacturing engineer, in aerospace
+ T* k& x/ l4 `9 {# R$ carea, because of I have not US greencard ,US citizen, I cann't work long term! In Houston, design engineer
a single office, for my daughter, I quited this good job, come back AB, driving a car about 4 days. Then,
come in Ontario, picked up my daughter to Edmonton from Ontario.
  {+ }/ r' z" h10 years ago, I was a labor in KUS canada, 12 hours shift, 6:00am to 6pm, or 6pm to 6am, after  6 months I moved to winsor, KUS closed down! In Windsor I started professional position.
Now, I am the better than 10 years ago. passed many difficults, I still are health, happy, modern and young( look young)
Thanks! lovely small girl!

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

我不年轻了.不过我每年花在看病吃药上,不到100加币.其实也很多年没看病了,连体检都不去.
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$ \& M& T1 }+ s) @( D" a: i) v洗牙是回国再洗,我受不了这边的,洗一次牙,都要让你走两趟.
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象你的身体情况,真不应该老换工作,每换一次工作,就得迎接新的挑战和压力.应该找一份比较轻松的工作.

marie

current benefits come from of 换工作, if there are no 挑战和压力, the company never hire me.
' D3 K2 P, j' c. g; \I cann't show my experiences. Next step, they will train me to learn new software( 1 week), I will lose
the good chance. Don't worried about 老年痴呆症. Life is in moving
$ V! g; G* j: W8 JTomorrow, I still work( overtime) 10 hours(7am-5pm), I will edit some programs and setting.

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) K; r( ?! o7 @& a( e- n合同工与非合同工，是看自己的成熟程度。如果成熟程度高，又不等钱用，合同工是优于长工的。我公司的创办人之一，已经到退休年龄，他就是做contractor。他可能是三五个月都在世界各地旅游了，偶尔才回公司一次。他是远程办公，用网络通过安全卡来做测试。
6 B( h# d: r1 N% T2 E我在卡城的同事，也是喜欢做contractor，他是‘从来没有在家闲上二个月的’，工资都不低于10万一年。
% a' T( |  l  P6 P( q1 l4 I这与他的职业性质有关，他是做C#之类高级程序研发，这种职业面宽。而我就学不了他，我的专业面窄，是不宜做contractor，只能先后senior engineer/lead努力，以后再图其他。

量子风水

同时与marie一样，在专业领域有相似成功，也曾经长期单身的女性，但即有不同的处世方式，并且应用得成功，而且福泽下一代，这种类型的女性，还是值得佩服与学习。
  e& Q! ?2 L- b' v- @2 J/ W9 s印象深的一次，是她家邻居有个冷气机，夏天时噪音很大。她不是去投诉人家，而是用想用一种和平的途径来解决纷争--显然，邻居并非有意，这是可以用和平方式解决的前提。这样做当然成功，邻居将冷气机的防护罩去掉，噪音就很小，而夏天热天也没有几天，所以不伤和气。
9 H' ]% i1 I5 B) R* l世界不是你一个人的，即使是毛公这样的政治家，有杀子之仇恨的美国，都要建交，所以适当使用妥协，也是一种很好的途径。
当生活中没有那么多纷争时，人生病的机会就少。

marie

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八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
& R4 r# u, u3 L( F( [4 w( l& J你还是没有理解我的话.

Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

/ W4 s( k4 f* O+ l1 d, t& `: J3 [+ ZThese are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
9 \- a" B! i  ?7 Sbecause of I never become a contractor, let me know about contractor knowledge please

Dental Benefits Summary:
Benefit Type         Payable At
       
# ]! g  d7 ?7 p+ p' WRoutine               
        Basic                 100%
3 w( Y1 p  F( D+ E        Endodontics                 100%
% v, r5 {2 D% _9 }& Z        Periodontics                 100%
( m6 q. l" `& T# w- a, A; J- a        Preventative                 100%
       
  m( d% V5 H/ _5 f  \4 p7 f        Global Medical Assistance         Covered

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marie 发表于 2013-3-16 15:56
7 G) G3 c  m: P3 x) K( N7 dThese are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
. O6 K7 v% X& t; rbecause  ...

谢谢你啊.

还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.
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好好享受这些福利啊.如果觉得合适和足够的话,就别再换了,公司给这么好这么多的福利,也是为了能留住人才啊.
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至于Contractor的细节,我也不想多说,其实也没什么好说,你列出来得所有福利,一项都没有,就简简单单的,每小时是多少钱就多少钱.

量子风水

中国人口是13亿，而加拿大是3千万，这种差异，使得在加拿大，有几十人的公司，就是中型公司了；有几个工程师的团队，就可以服务一个中型公司。这是在优势上，不能用中国的标准来衡量加拿大的标准。

所以，在这里，如果一家中有两个或以上的同一类别的developers, 就有可以形成一定的气候，可以外接一些简单的程序开发项目；如果再联系另一家，就可以做更大一些的项目。而contractor是向这个方向努力的最简便起步途径，这种contractor就是一种'自雇‘性质的管理。
成功是经验、管理与技能的三重积累。人家有这种条件，不但有两个或以上的程序员，而且朋友圈中也有许多程序员，从而可能产生能量聚合，这就当然向这个方向努力。

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-16 16:20
% x! I" M& P- I  U; U谢谢你啊.
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4 O; m. H4 e2 x* y# V还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.

I will, thanks!
, X9 t9 v' J" p% [& kI was a small engineer in china, same as me in china, too many ,too many! I never did team leader, never
management.