合同工和正式工，如果最后收入相等，工资比例应该是多少？

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summer_tina 发表于 2013-3-14 17:10
6 E- z3 \8 j  `# }3 u0 N! m嗯，很多牛人。的确是。
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当然，也有混的啦

- g8 u0 E: N" E! s) n  X# T( ?' ]$ p- |我看到的合同工还都有些本事，大小之分，混子还没看到过。

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marie 发表于 2013-3-14 21:31
8 Z# q/ z4 ^( I$ Pmy landlord's wife, she is a contractor( PDMS designer) in an engineering company, pay is very good, ...

4 D* {3 O' f& G4 W那么你是没有试用期吗？

marie

Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel insurance
  _8 D( I1 e$ D& H* \8 N% fcard, if I visit china, US, cover accident. My medicine is 100% cover, I got them. the glasses $250, sate shoe, $150, message $500/year, foot pads, $400, clean teeth and filled, 100% cover, since tomorrow,
0 L- B. [4 B* S' LI will enjoy my benefits, I select the Sunday overtime. Normally, 3 months, but I worked 1 week, they gave
( d! x& ]* s- `  \' @me these card, filled RRSP form, I never ask them, interview, I only ask wage, other I didn't ask.About low EQ

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-14 08:32
) X8 r8 z' L* v: V! e: w# |4 b9 L还有心态，运气。而往往心态会影响运气。

你这里说的能力，不光是技能方面的能力，更重要的是EQ的能力 ...

$ t! f5 p% ^# {2 v9 oIn canada, there are many opportunities to test EQ.

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 17:51
: p9 \0 m0 @9 h7 t: H% t" RNow I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel in ...

! \& @* g0 k7 T* u7 F- r5 k, V2 _其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 18:33
其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

no 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
2 c/ d# y9 x8 C) m9 k& yI like vwry much, it is free, only RRSP reduce from my pay, employer pay 6%.
' [. ]  q7 |! OTomorrow, I will do message, nothing pay, I show my benefit card, they take your NO,
ask insurance company pay, no me!
, b' C# V! L0 G5 RWhy not? I go to Wal mart, $250 plus exam fees, all the insurance company pay!

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自己做，啥都没有的路过！

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 18:43
no 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
I like vwry much, it i ...

你还是没有理解我的话.
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; m9 G6 u7 o! s/ k  S( G" \, c2 EContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

而employee把该到手的钱变成这些福利了,这不是强迫消费是什么?
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5 _1 P# ^- }* D" t5 P0 o+ b# h* z& j象这些,给了我,我都不会去消费的,那换成钱,到自己口袋里,想怎么花就怎么花.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
. U8 d- j, z: \* P! d你还是没有理解我的话.
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: X3 A7 c, S3 c( b* mContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

classes, every 2 years I must change, RRSP I buy it every year,  I every day eat medicine, clean teeth
( z  K  A0 `1 f& b$ {8 C* Y" Pevery 6 months, filled, I changed 6 teeth, teeth treat, expensive. message, facing I like to do. If i happened
) |4 p" u1 Z' ~/ S4 Qaccident, my daughter will get compensation. no more charge me, I like. I enjoy.
0 l; x5 C& b9 B# BIn the future, i would like to try a contractor position. Now, they need me, I keep this position.
how long, I don't know.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
你还是没有理解我的话.
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) d0 D+ m2 T- P9 T- H8 A# g! yContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

4 l( u- f9 f' p# A2 F* h! }四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must pay by myself. I had heavy sick, on time eating medicine, keep to work, health is the more and more better.

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

& W# \0 K0 h0 O/ V: j, s$ Y姐姐的这种情况，不适合做CONTRACTOR，真的！

marie

my positions always are perm! my best position are in Wichita,KS, US, manufacturing engineer, in aerospace
( C$ u% c+ n. Y' Yarea, because of I have not US greencard ,US citizen, I cann't work long term! In Houston, design engineer
! a8 V) b' C+ ?5 z# f! Z6 Fa single office, for my daughter, I quited this good job, come back AB, driving a car about 4 days. Then,
come in Ontario, picked up my daughter to Edmonton from Ontario.
10 years ago, I was a labor in KUS canada, 12 hours shift, 6:00am to 6pm, or 6pm to 6am, after  6 months I moved to winsor, KUS closed down! In Windsor I started professional position.
: H3 i# k: V3 U- n0 DNow, I am the better than 10 years ago. passed many difficults, I still are health, happy, modern and young( look young)
) R+ h1 q, r7 {' M, cThanks! lovely small girl!

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

我不年轻了.不过我每年花在看病吃药上,不到100加币.其实也很多年没看病了,连体检都不去.
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" z; m/ f: z* ^3 n2 ?- y% ]* ^: X洗牙是回国再洗,我受不了这边的,洗一次牙,都要让你走两趟.

% Y4 b% \8 S1 B2 G象你的身体情况,真不应该老换工作,每换一次工作,就得迎接新的挑战和压力.应该找一份比较轻松的工作.

marie

current benefits come from of 换工作, if there are no 挑战和压力, the company never hire me.
& {3 g* ]1 X6 oI cann't show my experiences. Next step, they will train me to learn new software( 1 week), I will lose
the good chance. Don't worried about 老年痴呆症. Life is in moving
2 H& c" }% P5 y% oTomorrow, I still work( overtime) 10 hours(7am-5pm), I will edit some programs and setting.

量子风水

( _, M' V8 _" f9 c& A合同工与非合同工，是看自己的成熟程度。如果成熟程度高，又不等钱用，合同工是优于长工的。我公司的创办人之一，已经到退休年龄，他就是做contractor。他可能是三五个月都在世界各地旅游了，偶尔才回公司一次。他是远程办公，用网络通过安全卡来做测试。
我在卡城的同事，也是喜欢做contractor，他是‘从来没有在家闲上二个月的’，工资都不低于10万一年。
这与他的职业性质有关，他是做C#之类高级程序研发，这种职业面宽。而我就学不了他，我的专业面窄，是不宜做contractor，只能先后senior engineer/lead努力，以后再图其他。

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同时与marie一样，在专业领域有相似成功，也曾经长期单身的女性，但即有不同的处世方式，并且应用得成功，而且福泽下一代，这种类型的女性，还是值得佩服与学习。
/ f# x. m8 R" f0 }* e; r0 p- c印象深的一次，是她家邻居有个冷气机，夏天时噪音很大。她不是去投诉人家，而是用想用一种和平的途径来解决纷争--显然，邻居并非有意，这是可以用和平方式解决的前提。这样做当然成功，邻居将冷气机的防护罩去掉，噪音就很小，而夏天热天也没有几天，所以不伤和气。
世界不是你一个人的，即使是毛公这样的政治家，有杀子之仇恨的美国，都要建交，所以适当使用妥协，也是一种很好的途径。
当生活中没有那么多纷争时，人生病的机会就少。

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
你还是没有理解我的话.

Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

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These are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
. R. N2 ^' H: {6 K& Sbecause of I never become a contractor, let me know about contractor knowledge please
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Dental Benefits Summary:
; |5 t' x; D) m/ [7 R$ wBenefit Type         Payable At
       
Routine               
        Basic                 100%
- K# P% G. S/ F( o- ~- {        Endodontics                 100%
; k% h7 P4 Y& z, P. K! a        Periodontics                 100%
5 O  i3 A+ {  s0 K4 z( o/ z$ A        Preventative                 100%
5 W- X6 T; d/ b8 _       
/ X3 ?& d9 ?3 y5 d        Global Medical Assistance         Covered

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marie 发表于 2013-3-16 15:56
These are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
because  ...

4 g- k3 y) I7 o谢谢你啊.

还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.
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8 `2 k% c1 o- n! o, M好好享受这些福利啊.如果觉得合适和足够的话,就别再换了,公司给这么好这么多的福利,也是为了能留住人才啊.

至于Contractor的细节,我也不想多说,其实也没什么好说,你列出来得所有福利,一项都没有,就简简单单的,每小时是多少钱就多少钱.

量子风水

中国人口是13亿，而加拿大是3千万，这种差异，使得在加拿大，有几十人的公司，就是中型公司了；有几个工程师的团队，就可以服务一个中型公司。这是在优势上，不能用中国的标准来衡量加拿大的标准。

所以，在这里，如果一家中有两个或以上的同一类别的developers, 就有可以形成一定的气候，可以外接一些简单的程序开发项目；如果再联系另一家，就可以做更大一些的项目。而contractor是向这个方向努力的最简便起步途径，这种contractor就是一种'自雇‘性质的管理。
成功是经验、管理与技能的三重积累。人家有这种条件，不但有两个或以上的程序员，而且朋友圈中也有许多程序员，从而可能产生能量聚合，这就当然向这个方向努力。

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-16 16:20
; E4 ]5 T$ O, h谢谢你啊.
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/ H! ^4 C  s2 ~还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.

5 x: P+ u1 _1 i: h4 P# K% p6 K! uI will, thanks!
I was a small engineer in china, same as me in china, too many ,too many! I never did team leader, never
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