合同工和正式工，如果最后收入相等，工资比例应该是多少？

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summer_tina 发表于 2013-3-14 17:10
! n) G8 [, R. e& v8 ?( P. W7 o4 m嗯，很多牛人。的确是。
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当然，也有混的啦

我看到的合同工还都有些本事，大小之分，混子还没看到过。

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marie 发表于 2013-3-14 21:31
$ ]! C6 Z& W/ F' `& rmy landlord's wife, she is a contractor( PDMS designer) in an engineering company, pay is very good, ...

那么你是没有试用期吗？

marie

Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel insurance
card, if I visit china, US, cover accident. My medicine is 100% cover, I got them. the glasses $250, sate shoe, $150, message $500/year, foot pads, $400, clean teeth and filled, 100% cover, since tomorrow,
I will enjoy my benefits, I select the Sunday overtime. Normally, 3 months, but I worked 1 week, they gave
me these card, filled RRSP form, I never ask them, interview, I only ask wage, other I didn't ask.About low EQ

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-14 08:32
4 y* c2 y. `" D/ }还有心态，运气。而往往心态会影响运气。

! g. `& E' `$ L  X9 t$ }$ W你这里说的能力，不光是技能方面的能力，更重要的是EQ的能力 ...

2 O9 O+ o" x1 u0 ^* JIn canada, there are many opportunities to test EQ.

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 17:51
2 l3 _# n) g% `% A! p0 sNow I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel in ...

$ w9 J; K- b4 |其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 18:33
其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

$ \3 @4 F4 T" [/ a; L0 rno 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
I like vwry much, it is free, only RRSP reduce from my pay, employer pay 6%.
1 c, E1 w' w: _3 d4 c3 |9 a* ]Tomorrow, I will do message, nothing pay, I show my benefit card, they take your NO,
ask insurance company pay, no me!
0 M) V3 J* W. J# i1 C( g- ZWhy not? I go to Wal mart, $250 plus exam fees, all the insurance company pay!

菩提树

自己做，啥都没有的路过！

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 18:43
no 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
% `9 D$ x+ ^: {5 S4 EI like vwry much, it i ...

1 L1 R; a, O' b' f2 G( W* j/ c你还是没有理解我的话.
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; l5 k2 w) Q- E+ H: mContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.
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而employee把该到手的钱变成这些福利了,这不是强迫消费是什么?
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象这些,给了我,我都不会去消费的,那换成钱,到自己口袋里,想怎么花就怎么花.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
你还是没有理解我的话.
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, O% `5 X# G3 U8 M# p  ?, |Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

; m. m0 g2 T+ b/ q/ Pclasses, every 2 years I must change, RRSP I buy it every year,  I every day eat medicine, clean teeth
) I7 x" ]0 R# h1 f) j; tevery 6 months, filled, I changed 6 teeth, teeth treat, expensive. message, facing I like to do. If i happened
( f, y3 f; s, Q' `9 A: n# B% P* Xaccident, my daughter will get compensation. no more charge me, I like. I enjoy.
, ]) V! q: ]' C( w6 E7 @' _In the future, i would like to try a contractor position. Now, they need me, I keep this position.
$ W" W( K/ R; [how long, I don't know.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
你还是没有理解我的话.

Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must pay by myself. I had heavy sick, on time eating medicine, keep to work, health is the more and more better.

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
6 m4 {9 f( c9 ?. N$ Z4 T四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

0 r9 u# N4 j; A6 \! q姐姐的这种情况，不适合做CONTRACTOR，真的！

marie

my positions always are perm! my best position are in Wichita,KS, US, manufacturing engineer, in aerospace
area, because of I have not US greencard ,US citizen, I cann't work long term! In Houston, design engineer
a single office, for my daughter, I quited this good job, come back AB, driving a car about 4 days. Then,
. w) C  h% ~' g5 P6 _* y$ G5 rcome in Ontario, picked up my daughter to Edmonton from Ontario.
) I! M7 s' N9 [  W! Q6 q10 years ago, I was a labor in KUS canada, 12 hours shift, 6:00am to 6pm, or 6pm to 6am, after  6 months I moved to winsor, KUS closed down! In Windsor I started professional position.
& k5 m$ f% W# z* R3 ONow, I am the better than 10 years ago. passed many difficults, I still are health, happy, modern and young( look young)
! l8 `  N: z, y0 F- Y4 pThanks! lovely small girl!

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

我不年轻了.不过我每年花在看病吃药上,不到100加币.其实也很多年没看病了,连体检都不去.

洗牙是回国再洗,我受不了这边的,洗一次牙,都要让你走两趟.
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' x, @2 u  @% g. \' ]3 W* m( B6 V象你的身体情况,真不应该老换工作,每换一次工作,就得迎接新的挑战和压力.应该找一份比较轻松的工作.

marie

current benefits come from of 换工作, if there are no 挑战和压力, the company never hire me.
, I+ C- g; f4 p8 U! ~I cann't show my experiences. Next step, they will train me to learn new software( 1 week), I will lose
' I5 A% D/ w7 Z+ ?+ c9 Q/ Fthe good chance. Don't worried about 老年痴呆症. Life is in moving
$ l( C" c. i0 N% Q& \4 r! \  q  PTomorrow, I still work( overtime) 10 hours(7am-5pm), I will edit some programs and setting.

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# p1 {0 ]- t% c7 X合同工与非合同工，是看自己的成熟程度。如果成熟程度高，又不等钱用，合同工是优于长工的。我公司的创办人之一，已经到退休年龄，他就是做contractor。他可能是三五个月都在世界各地旅游了，偶尔才回公司一次。他是远程办公，用网络通过安全卡来做测试。
0 d, j: B; L$ [# f. \# F3 F我在卡城的同事，也是喜欢做contractor，他是‘从来没有在家闲上二个月的’，工资都不低于10万一年。
5 u: m8 J) }( X1 _) p' O这与他的职业性质有关，他是做C#之类高级程序研发，这种职业面宽。而我就学不了他，我的专业面窄，是不宜做contractor，只能先后senior engineer/lead努力，以后再图其他。

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同时与marie一样，在专业领域有相似成功，也曾经长期单身的女性，但即有不同的处世方式，并且应用得成功，而且福泽下一代，这种类型的女性，还是值得佩服与学习。
9 n' g( o+ H# F: Z9 {& o印象深的一次，是她家邻居有个冷气机，夏天时噪音很大。她不是去投诉人家，而是用想用一种和平的途径来解决纷争--显然，邻居并非有意，这是可以用和平方式解决的前提。这样做当然成功，邻居将冷气机的防护罩去掉，噪音就很小，而夏天热天也没有几天，所以不伤和气。
  ^& ]. E0 [. C, w" |0 m; h2 M世界不是你一个人的，即使是毛公这样的政治家，有杀子之仇恨的美国，都要建交，所以适当使用妥协，也是一种很好的途径。
6 L. Q0 G7 _! w7 q3 ~当生活中没有那么多纷争时，人生病的机会就少。

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
" r8 h. ^) h, g% V2 p- k$ Q* @你还是没有理解我的话.

Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

7 v! g, t! B5 aThese are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
6 Y) m2 [% {% h. i! dbecause of I never become a contractor, let me know about contractor knowledge please
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. v" {" X7 V! e. V6 u3 W) D& kDental Benefits Summary:
  M4 ~  ~# O) a# g0 l" Z" T) }Benefit Type         Payable At
       
6 q5 E) M" g% w- X; GRoutine               
) p7 y7 [/ \+ F( o        Basic                 100%
        Endodontics                 100%
/ r$ N( K  u2 e. S- p3 R( y6 G        Periodontics                 100%
; ^+ u+ i0 @2 q9 L        Preventative                 100%
# p! {9 d; I5 ]       
        Global Medical Assistance         Covered

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marie 发表于 2013-3-16 15:56
" T9 U* g! Q; F. n7 ^, wThese are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
because  ...

谢谢你啊.
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还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.
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' ^. `* D) Y& {: R% u. \+ s好好享受这些福利啊.如果觉得合适和足够的话,就别再换了,公司给这么好这么多的福利,也是为了能留住人才啊.
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至于Contractor的细节,我也不想多说,其实也没什么好说,你列出来得所有福利,一项都没有,就简简单单的,每小时是多少钱就多少钱.

量子风水

中国人口是13亿，而加拿大是3千万，这种差异，使得在加拿大，有几十人的公司，就是中型公司了；有几个工程师的团队，就可以服务一个中型公司。这是在优势上，不能用中国的标准来衡量加拿大的标准。

所以，在这里，如果一家中有两个或以上的同一类别的developers, 就有可以形成一定的气候，可以外接一些简单的程序开发项目；如果再联系另一家，就可以做更大一些的项目。而contractor是向这个方向努力的最简便起步途径，这种contractor就是一种'自雇‘性质的管理。
成功是经验、管理与技能的三重积累。人家有这种条件，不但有两个或以上的程序员，而且朋友圈中也有许多程序员，从而可能产生能量聚合，这就当然向这个方向努力。

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-16 16:20
" |  _" {- x: t0 \$ M谢谢你啊.

: Y6 a9 T4 b! h) P还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.

I will, thanks!
I was a small engineer in china, same as me in china, too many ,too many! I never did team leader, never
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