合同工和正式工，如果最后收入相等，工资比例应该是多少？

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summer_tina 发表于 2013-3-14 17:10
嗯，很多牛人。的确是。

当然，也有混的啦

4 g" m- ]+ G% z; t我看到的合同工还都有些本事，大小之分，混子还没看到过。

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marie 发表于 2013-3-14 21:31
my landlord's wife, she is a contractor( PDMS designer) in an engineering company, pay is very good, ...

  h: ?# Y7 D, P7 [7 f7 ]& ]那么你是没有试用期吗？

marie

Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel insurance
8 Y1 D6 R) r4 F' g5 Hcard, if I visit china, US, cover accident. My medicine is 100% cover, I got them. the glasses $250, sate shoe, $150, message $500/year, foot pads, $400, clean teeth and filled, 100% cover, since tomorrow,
/ f& ?) o( Z& N/ B' J) m+ @I will enjoy my benefits, I select the Sunday overtime. Normally, 3 months, but I worked 1 week, they gave
1 s- I, h- d5 T7 cme these card, filled RRSP form, I never ask them, interview, I only ask wage, other I didn't ask.About low EQ

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-14 08:32
- K- g; V$ c& k, H0 b% I& H- b+ q: P. d还有心态，运气。而往往心态会影响运气。

' E; w( v/ A7 c你这里说的能力，不光是技能方面的能力，更重要的是EQ的能力 ...

In canada, there are many opportunities to test EQ.

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 17:51
Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel in ...

, ^1 k& m$ P# U( H( p. i其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 18:33
其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

) E! c' f# a9 i  t7 n$ |no 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
  [' B& ^+ d3 ]9 J6 _I like vwry much, it is free, only RRSP reduce from my pay, employer pay 6%.
4 {- j& E0 F, t+ n" U% iTomorrow, I will do message, nothing pay, I show my benefit card, they take your NO,
/ Y2 T! C7 b; S5 R+ task insurance company pay, no me!
9 Z/ y1 e. I+ M4 b6 U# AWhy not? I go to Wal mart, $250 plus exam fees, all the insurance company pay!

菩提树

自己做，啥都没有的路过！

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 18:43
$ V" p9 y8 n8 D& T& n+ bno 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
+ l; l+ }. T5 z. g$ jI like vwry much, it i ...

; G0 J0 q0 Q# z. m你还是没有理解我的话.

Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

: |  i  w* S1 f- D: _而employee把该到手的钱变成这些福利了,这不是强迫消费是什么?

) H1 F  R. u5 C# y9 q" Y象这些,给了我,我都不会去消费的,那换成钱,到自己口袋里,想怎么花就怎么花.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
* Z4 Z. ^/ r9 _1 u" A# ?你还是没有理解我的话.

Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

0 c8 N4 Y$ I* U/ r4 O. Bclasses, every 2 years I must change, RRSP I buy it every year,  I every day eat medicine, clean teeth
every 6 months, filled, I changed 6 teeth, teeth treat, expensive. message, facing I like to do. If i happened
accident, my daughter will get compensation. no more charge me, I like. I enjoy.
In the future, i would like to try a contractor position. Now, they need me, I keep this position.
how long, I don't know.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
$ D. C) t6 |; L1 ]- x0 ]3 z你还是没有理解我的话.
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Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

: ^) \7 W2 I# |9 S; R* p# ~: W9 P四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must pay by myself. I had heavy sick, on time eating medicine, keep to work, health is the more and more better.

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
& \1 m7 K% Y9 B四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

# T% U7 ~' }2 N* c7 t# \1 `, O- V姐姐的这种情况，不适合做CONTRACTOR，真的！

marie

my positions always are perm! my best position are in Wichita,KS, US, manufacturing engineer, in aerospace
area, because of I have not US greencard ,US citizen, I cann't work long term! In Houston, design engineer
3 ?* W, W* S+ X+ z9 h0 Na single office, for my daughter, I quited this good job, come back AB, driving a car about 4 days. Then,
come in Ontario, picked up my daughter to Edmonton from Ontario.
2 m. p8 f7 J8 e6 k6 c/ n10 years ago, I was a labor in KUS canada, 12 hours shift, 6:00am to 6pm, or 6pm to 6am, after  6 months I moved to winsor, KUS closed down! In Windsor I started professional position.
Now, I am the better than 10 years ago. passed many difficults, I still are health, happy, modern and young( look young)
Thanks! lovely small girl!

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
" a$ `. p4 f& r! D+ C! @' i* A四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

& x$ g, P4 J4 k+ K+ w9 \我不年轻了.不过我每年花在看病吃药上,不到100加币.其实也很多年没看病了,连体检都不去.

洗牙是回国再洗,我受不了这边的,洗一次牙,都要让你走两趟.

象你的身体情况,真不应该老换工作,每换一次工作,就得迎接新的挑战和压力.应该找一份比较轻松的工作.

marie

current benefits come from of 换工作, if there are no 挑战和压力, the company never hire me.
I cann't show my experiences. Next step, they will train me to learn new software( 1 week), I will lose
( p* t0 L( F- t" I+ |" v( uthe good chance. Don't worried about 老年痴呆症. Life is in moving
Tomorrow, I still work( overtime) 10 hours(7am-5pm), I will edit some programs and setting.

量子风水

合同工与非合同工，是看自己的成熟程度。如果成熟程度高，又不等钱用，合同工是优于长工的。我公司的创办人之一，已经到退休年龄，他就是做contractor。他可能是三五个月都在世界各地旅游了，偶尔才回公司一次。他是远程办公，用网络通过安全卡来做测试。
0 P; `/ H" D# }3 {  J" _+ F3 `我在卡城的同事，也是喜欢做contractor，他是‘从来没有在家闲上二个月的’，工资都不低于10万一年。
这与他的职业性质有关，他是做C#之类高级程序研发，这种职业面宽。而我就学不了他，我的专业面窄，是不宜做contractor，只能先后senior engineer/lead努力，以后再图其他。

量子风水

同时与marie一样，在专业领域有相似成功，也曾经长期单身的女性，但即有不同的处世方式，并且应用得成功，而且福泽下一代，这种类型的女性，还是值得佩服与学习。
印象深的一次，是她家邻居有个冷气机，夏天时噪音很大。她不是去投诉人家，而是用想用一种和平的途径来解决纷争--显然，邻居并非有意，这是可以用和平方式解决的前提。这样做当然成功，邻居将冷气机的防护罩去掉，噪音就很小，而夏天热天也没有几天，所以不伤和气。
世界不是你一个人的，即使是毛公这样的政治家，有杀子之仇恨的美国，都要建交，所以适当使用妥协，也是一种很好的途径。
% M6 ?( ?9 O- e+ |* M2 K) J当生活中没有那么多纷争时，人生病的机会就少。

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
你还是没有理解我的话.

) {: m4 P. h7 x1 g# _! fContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

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These are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
because of I never become a contractor, let me know about contractor knowledge please
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9 Y8 |* S' [1 N% RDental Benefits Summary:
8 u2 R+ f) w* a9 ~6 oBenefit Type         Payable At
       
Routine               
- t. g/ Z8 U0 W- q* _2 W& W        Basic                 100%
( M2 W, z' m& \! A! ?4 z; E        Endodontics                 100%
        Periodontics                 100%
# G2 I5 r& {  j# Z( \/ k# N        Preventative                 100%
5 M; Q! Q8 b5 s9 ^( ^       
        Global Medical Assistance         Covered
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marie 发表于 2013-3-16 15:56
9 t- s! B; w# ?) v: `9 f1 w- ]. wThese are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
2 g9 z+ ?. x8 e7 Y5 L2 k: nbecause  ...

谢谢你啊.
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7 I" |, e1 s4 ~! B0 G) f还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.

2 z4 o3 \  s' F" _% @2 D1 m( n好好享受这些福利啊.如果觉得合适和足够的话,就别再换了,公司给这么好这么多的福利,也是为了能留住人才啊.

0 u/ w2 ]: k. |" ?+ Y至于Contractor的细节,我也不想多说,其实也没什么好说,你列出来得所有福利,一项都没有,就简简单单的,每小时是多少钱就多少钱.

量子风水

中国人口是13亿，而加拿大是3千万，这种差异，使得在加拿大，有几十人的公司，就是中型公司了；有几个工程师的团队，就可以服务一个中型公司。这是在优势上，不能用中国的标准来衡量加拿大的标准。
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所以，在这里，如果一家中有两个或以上的同一类别的developers, 就有可以形成一定的气候，可以外接一些简单的程序开发项目；如果再联系另一家，就可以做更大一些的项目。而contractor是向这个方向努力的最简便起步途径，这种contractor就是一种'自雇‘性质的管理。
' i8 D. a+ u& O( b5 }成功是经验、管理与技能的三重积累。人家有这种条件，不但有两个或以上的程序员，而且朋友圈中也有许多程序员，从而可能产生能量聚合，这就当然向这个方向努力。

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-16 16:20
谢谢你啊.
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' ^2 |3 [7 \! ?. Q$ N还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.

: L2 c5 u- B! I5 \# P8 NI will, thanks!
- p: F9 u8 ]) l7 h) H+ i- ^9 rI was a small engineer in china, same as me in china, too many ,too many! I never did team leader, never
0 @/ b( Q& A$ x; l( g# s$ {management.