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ZT:Average home price will fall to $246,000 in '09: TD

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发表于 2009-4-8 21:38 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
Canadian house prices have further to fall, while overbuilding in the residential market, particularly in the Prairies, will prevent the sector from making a quick recovery from the current downturn in sales, prices and construction, according to a report by TD Economics.$ N% Y8 g  S  J( y/ K" a; q5 E* a

6 E6 v/ k% j* H& `# DTD economists expect the average Canadian house price to fall to about $246,000 in 2009, down 24% from the peak of $324,000 in 2007. As of February, the average nation-wide house price stood at $282,000, down 13% from its peak.
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The report, released Tuesday, found house prices had been overshooting their fundamental value by about 9% since 2005 as speculation drove up prices and encouraged overbuilding.
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  b5 g+ F5 t; T8 l$ r' |0 ]* \& L"Declines in prices are now returning to fundamental-justified values. We estimate this process to be roughly half done, both in terms of time and value adjustments," the report said. % r( \3 w- ^& c7 F# S( \8 j4 E) R
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Now, as housing prices correct, the economists believe the excess supply of housing in the market will continue to weigh on the sector throughout 2009. However, Canada will avoid a U.S.-style housing crash because the oversupply of housing is much smaller.1 R: ?: W, ~9 H& L2 e
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TD estimates the overhang of residential homes in the Canadian market is equal to about three month's supply, compared to about 10 months in the United States. As a result of the overhang combined with low prices, housing construction would likely remain 20% below its potential level and fall to 125,000 in 2009 and increase slightly to 135,000 in 2010. In September 2007, new homes were being constructed at a seasonally adjusted annualized rate of 273,000.% Y3 p' U9 I6 G% y+ A1 ~0 D! f

0 [8 X; d, i9 e9 B+ V* _" g"A glut in the housing stock means that builders will have to rein in residential construction further -- particularly in the most overbuilt markets. As well, excess inventories in certain markets will prove an additional drag on home prices," it said.
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  S! z7 a5 w  e/ @. @* uTD said Calgary and Edmonton had accumulated "worrisome" inventories of unsold single family homes, while the overhang of supply in Saskatoon's was at a historical high. Montreal also had a growing inventory of unsold condos and apartments. Toronto and Vancouver have so far avoided a major oversupply in inventories, however TD said the large number of condos under construction in both cities raised the possibility of mounting oversupply this year.4 H6 p5 Y$ ~, z! @: e

+ i* b; \6 j1 Z( O' m- P' k0 DMeanwhile, lower interest rates and house prices have helped housing become slightly more affordable. TD said mortgage payments cost the consumer about 34% of an average household income in 2007, compared with 22% in 2000. This rate is predicted to have fallen to 32% in 2008.
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http://www.financialpost.com/news-sectors/story.html?id=1474575
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发表于 2009-4-8 21:40 | 显示全部楼层
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TD said Calgary and Edmonton had accumulated "worrisome" inventories of unsold single family homes,0 P4 f+ Z+ ^: i6 c% I$ k2 F& G

: i' S6 b+ z  z1 j[ 本帖最后由 宋兵乙 于 2009-4-8 22:45 编辑 ]
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跟toronto的平均房价36万比起来,edmonton应该再跌一些,虽然中国和加拿大不同,中国发展的不如加拿大均衡,但还是有可以借鉴的地方,比如说中国沈阳的房价能和上海比吗?如果能跌到24万!哈哈!我们一般的打工族不用做房奴了,都可以轻松呼吸着这里新鲜的空气,享受着这里竞争不太激烈的生活,退休了回中国住半年,这里半年。对了,中国的房子千万不要着急出手,否者退休后回国没有房子住了,到时候小心回国也买不起了。呵呵。& X* h2 A9 @- b
再说了:听说大家都抢房子的时候是三年前,那时候的专业工作容易找,来的早的买到便宜的房子,一般的townhouse13-16万,现在则18-25万。今非昔比,如今很多人都回学校深造去了,除非经济危机短期能够回转,否者房价应该回到三年前再跌个5、6万的。- b2 a; {; G! k4 @, ^+ z" [
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[ 本帖最后由 茶水 于 2009-4-8 23:54 编辑 ]
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原帖由 茶水 于 2009-4-8 23:35 发表 % @' |6 x# z- p- \; c  H* u7 \
跟toronto的平均房价36万比起来,edmonton应该再跌一些,虽然中国和加拿大不同,中国发展的不如加拿大均衡,但还是有可以借鉴的地方,比如说中国沈阳的房价能和上海比吗?如果能跌到24万!哈哈!我们一般的打工族不用 ...

. N$ X$ m3 ~' b# O很多人都回学校深造去了
  F; z  l+ [* h2 j2 t嘿嘿嘿嘿。我也是被迫深造去了。
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-4-9 10:10 | 显示全部楼层

TD Special Report节选

Alberta$ w) n8 h7 W& t( s0 G# B
Wild Rose country was overbuilt substantially during its& o6 I& H' l' {. c* y  F0 J
boom years, and mounting inventories in Calgary and Edmonton
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formation by 12%. With oil prices having subsided5 C* Y5 x2 Y( b/ c6 E3 }. E
from their fever pitch and expansion projects now on hold,# f9 v  F$ `, j5 w( Q* H. A+ g  x
the net inflow of migrants has slowed dramatically and+ O  z9 ^8 l* {; i2 }
may even cease completely during 2009. The previous
6 I! S6 n) i% k, _! m' Mpace of homebuilding could not be sustained and slowed
$ W7 b3 ^/ I6 a. q# ~precipitously during the fall. Alberta’s starts further declined) ?5 c- H; i" y: E( O8 {2 j
to 13,100 units in February, 61% lower than a year
+ @) o( {% S" [* `6 l2 I; F$ Aprior. With Alberta’s economy set to contract by 2.5% this  e% P% e( b$ O9 H5 }( {& z8 q
year in real terms and roughly 10% in nominal terms,
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30,000 new households will form in the province during4 ?1 Y  W6 \) i
2009, starts are likely to be nearer 14,000 units on the year.
: U" J! F+ f; I2 g5 NEven accounting for the population inflows, the province’s
( t; T( T1 w8 D/ Q9 D( bhomebuilding overshot fundamentals by nearly 10%7 U' U. ?5 T( Y* ^- `
during the commodity boom. From 1991 to 2006, Alberta
1 D, [/ a6 I1 P/ V6 Chas approximately 72,000 more housing starts than new
. G5 D4 m/ b' g" \; x9 lhouseholds, and the estimated 13% overshoot of fundamentals8 O, _2 Y8 h+ q  S" n+ I; P6 i. M
during 2002-2008 exhibits this excess. Now, plunging! k  d: `: x' _1 P1 @' }1 P9 Z1 w" T
sales-to-new listings ratios and mounting unsold inventories
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excessive. As of February, Calgary had an overhang of5 g' v% ^# ?; x( F
1,133 unsold units (874 singles and 259 multiples) and a
. c8 i3 w/ p, l+ M' Zsales-to-new listings ratio of 0.29, indicative of a definitive
" [: f, z: A  w8 p" u! s' b- dbuyer’s market, having now fallen to its lowest value in( _# |6 k5 W3 \! i3 S: ?! J& }  b; Z# B
two decades. Similarly alarming is Edmonton’s surge in
$ p! J0 y; T/ K+ wunsold inventories. As of December, Edmonton had 1,7473 N% F& J. A5 W  E8 {+ ^' |# ^  Q
unsold units (1,254 singles and 493 multiples) – its largest$ m3 z  U/ h% b- f% {6 Y
recorded overhang ever – and conditions for sellers in the
9 R7 F1 w. m/ ^$ uresale market have deteriorated sharply. In both of Alberta’s0 `( g0 u; C. [/ ~
major cities, homebuilders have worrisome unsold inventories
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rapidly, resale markets already appear saturated.
- s8 q- s/ t' Y6 t* p. N; IThe steep appreciation of house prices during Alberta’s
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2 U! y0 I& `) l3 X! G) j( P  c7 zAlthough income growth was very strong, Albertan4 Y3 M' I, Z8 X' ^% R3 m$ c* G
housing during 2007 and 2008 was especially overpriced5 ~2 }0 y7 {9 _9 I9 p- W
relative to fundamentals. The quick climb of Albertan resale# Z+ r4 M9 o. z/ [) I  W: J
prices substantially eroded affordability and, even: S% a* ~8 q' ]: t4 ^
though Albertans were Canada’s highest income earners. F3 o6 x6 k8 s1 Z& u9 M1 S
on average, the growth in household income was not sustainable.
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resale price in February is evidence that past prices/ h# q0 A' ]) E& t& q; u4 O: @
exceeded fundamentals. Those inflated prices drove
2 V3 H+ m3 g: Q/ b& {8 w$ Ghomebuilding in excess of fundamentals. Given Albertans’
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Alberta’s resale prices probably have another 20%
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-4-9 10:11 | 显示全部楼层
Given Albertans’deteriorating incomes and the overhangs of unsold inventories,* r8 n# _, L3 j( W/ k7 ]. w. L
Alberta’s resale prices probably have another 20% leg down over 2009.:

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6 B* d8 ]0 W1 `% s, r' V; A[ 本帖最后由 依勒特 于 2009-4-9 11:15 编辑 ]
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-4-9 10:13 | 显示全部楼层
同胞们,底就要来到了。打起精神,准备抄底!
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-4-9 10:17 | 显示全部楼层
Yup, and you would be simply manipulated and brainless if you purchased right now.
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5 ?# [2 @9 J) ]$ x: S0 c* V3 M3 phttp://www.greaterfool.ca/2009/04/07/hot-bothered/#comments
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[ 本帖最后由 依勒特 于 2009-4-9 11:19 编辑 ]
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